No Firearms Makes For Gang Wannabes In England

Bill Bratton, the former New York City police commissioner had a most interesting comment recently in regard to guns and gangs in England.  Bratton was named by British Prime Minister Cameron as a special advisor on gangs. 

“The firearm problem in England is almost laughable in the sense of how small it is,” Bratton stated.  “The gangs here, I would describe as, basically,wannabes.  They’re heavily influenced by American gangs–in dress, in langauge, in the stupid sings they use.”

Thank God American culture has not perverted the gun laws of Britain.

9 thoughts on “No Firearms Makes For Gang Wannabes In England

  1. Smokey,

    What is the homicide rate in London from guns?

    BTW–no snow here all winter long–in Madison a mere .4 inches, and yes that is a point in front of the 4–can you send me winter from your end? Thanks if you can!

    1. All I know about the Brits I read in the papers…Don’t have any statistics…all I know is the Criminal element became so well armed that the police didn’t have a chance, and the last I knew , the cops are still terribly outgunned.

      On a lighter note, The weather outside’s delightful… that is it’s only – 17º at the moment…nights got down to between – 35º and – 45º for the past couple of weeks, with daily high’s around – 25º… It started warming up yesterday (- 19º), and started snowing, and we have 4+ inches of fresh snow, which means I will need to plow again tomorrow. This years snowfall must be around 2+ feet, and we have about 18 inches on the level due to settling. I can get you something more precise if you want it. And of course we started gaining daylight again on Dec 21…

    2. This is lengthy, but don’t have any other address to send it… I discovered those Brits like their sharp instruments for doing bodily harm – but that may be due to the gun ban,

      Since 1990 there has been an average of 171 homicides committed each year across the 32 BOCUs in London. During this period the lowest annual figure was 139 in 1996 and the highest being 204 in the financial year 2003/04. Between 2003/04 and 2008/09 the number of annual homicides decreased by 27% from 204 to 148.
      Crime rate 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000-01 2001-02 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09 2009-10
      Homicide total 184 184 175 160 169 167 139 190 159 146 171 190 189 204 182 168 162 156 148 136
      Homicide rate 2.5 2.5 2.3 2.1 2.3 2.2 1.9 2.5 2.1 1.9 2.3 2.5 2.5 2.7 2.4 2.2 2.2 2.1 2.0 1.9

      London Homicides (1990-2009)
      The distribution of homicide offences in London can vary significantly by borough. Between 2000 and 2009 there were 1,570 offences committed in London. This ranged from 123 in the London Borough of Lambeth to just 12 in Kingston upon Thames.
      Rank Borough Number of homicides 2000/01 to 2008/09
      1 Lambeth 123
      2 Southwark 96
      3 Newham 95
      4 Hackney 94
      5 Brent 77
      6 Camden 75
      7 Haringey 72
      8 Croydon 63
      9 Ealing 63
      10 Tower Hamlets 56
      11 Waltham Forest 54
      12 Enfield 53
      13 Greenwich 53
      14 Islington 53
      15 Lewisham 53
      16 Westminster 53
      17 Wandsworth 46
      18 Redbridge 41
      19 Hammersmith and Fulham 37
      20 Barnet 36
      21 Hounslow 36
      22 Barking & Dagenham 35
      23 Hillingdon 31
      24 Bromley 29
      25 Havering 24
      26 Merton 24
      27 Kensington & Chelsea 22
      28 Bexley 18
      29 Sutton 17
      30 Harrow 16
      31 Richmond upon Thames 13
      32 Kingston upon Thames 12
      Measuring violent crime by borough made a perceived link between social disadvantage and crime, but borough perceptions have become incorrect and misinformed. The borough of Camden for example, contains some of the most prosperous areas in the world, but also some with very high poverty levels, leading to a misconception of the borough by many people.
      Assault with injury
      Assault with injury, currently compromised of assault occasioning actual bodily harm and grievous bodily harm by the Metropolitan Police, accounts for on average 40% of all violence against the person offences within the Metropolitan Police area and 45% of all violence against the person nationally.[26] In England and Wales ‘assault without injury’ and harassment account for a further 38% of crimes recorded within the violence against the person category.
      In 2008/09 there 70,962 assault with injury offences in London with a rate of 9.5 per 1,000 residents.[27] This was slightly higher than the total rate for England and Wales, which was 7.0 per 1,000 residents.[28]

      British Crime Survey Violence Rates (1981-2009)
      Crime rate 2000-01 2001-02 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09
      ABH and GBH rate per 1,000 London 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.8 9.4 11.2 10.4 9.5 9.5
      ABH and GBH rate per 1,000 England & Wales 3.6 3.8 6.2 7.6 8.6 9.0 8.4 7.5 7.0
      Following the changes introduced by the National Crime Recording Standard (NCRS) in 2002 the way assaults were categorised was dependent on injury, leading to a significant jump in combined ABH and GBH figures nationally in 2002/03. Prior to NCRS minor injuries were counted as common assault, while post NCRS any assault with injury would be categorised as ABH. Looking at figures over time is of limited value as figures prior to 2002/03 are not comparable with the way certain violent crimes have been recorded since then. These changes were not reflected in the Metropolitan Police performance figures until 2004/05 when the rate almost doubled to 9.4 per 1,000 residents compared to 5.8 the previous year. In 2005/06 the rate of recorded ABH and GBH peaked both nationally and within the Metropolitan Police force area according to recorded statistics.
      The British Crime Survey or BCS is a systematic victim study, currently carried out by BMRB Limited on behalf of the Home Office. The BCS seeks to measure the amount of crime in England and Wales by asking around 50,000 people aged 16 and over, living in private households, about the crimes they have experienced in the last year. The survey is comparable to the National Crime Victimization Survey conducted in the United States. The Home Office estimated that just 37% of violence with injury offences were reported to and recorded by police.
      An advantage of the BCS is that it has not been affected by the changes in counting rules and the way crime is categorised because it is survey based. This makes it possible to observe national trends in crime over time. Crime in England & Wales 2008/09,[30] shows BCS violence with injury to have peaked in 1995 and declined steadily since then. Between 1995 and 2008/09 the BCS estimates that violence with injury offences decreased 53.6% across England & Wales.
      Gun and knife crime
      Weapon enabled crimes are recorded by the Metropolitan Police when a weapon is used to assist a crime, for example gun being used as part of a robbery. Recorded gun and knife enabled offences in London account for about 2% of total recorded crime. London Boroughs with the highest rates of gun and knife crime include Newham, Southwark, Hackney, Brent, Islington, Waltham Forest and Lambeth.[31] Gun enabled crime figures are displayed on the Metropolitan Police website at borough level expressed as financial year to date comparisons[32] but they are seldom made available for historical comparisons. Figures are available for calendar years 2000 to 2007[33] as shown in the table below.[34][32]
      Crime rate 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
      Gun enabled crime 2961 3250 4005 4444 4025 3744 3881 3327 3459 2525 3295
      Rate per 10,000 London 3.9 4.3 5.3 5.9 5.4 4.9 5.2 4.4 4.6 3.4 4.4
      Since 2000 there has been consistent fluctuations in the number of gun enabled recorded by the Metropolitan Police which peaked in 2003 when there were 4,444 recorded offences. The lowest number of offences recorded was potentially in 2008 where there were just 1,980 gun enabled crimes between December 2007 and November 2008, an unusually low figure in comparison to other years. Since then however gun enabled crime has increased 67% across London with 3,309 offences being recorded in the 12 months to November 2009.
      Crime rate 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008-09 2009-10
      Knife enabled crime[34] 10305 12985 12367 12301 10699 12345 12611
      Rate per 10,000 London 13.7 17.3 16.5 16.4 14.3 16.4 16.8
      Knife enabled crime figures are available from 2003 to 2007 and more recently monthly knife crime summaries are provided on the Metropolitan Police website showing financial year to date figures. Knife enabled offences increased from 2003 to 2004 and from then on saw annual reductions until 2007. It was not possible to retrieve statistics for 2008 and 2009.


  2. Ya think it was a mistake for us to break away from England in the first place? After all, if we had stayed a colony then we wouldn’t have this Second Amendment getting in the way of what you’d like to see happen.

  3. Purplepenquin,

    There is no way not to look at the gun deaths in America and not see a perversion taking place. There are not wild animals lurking in the wilds as we cut the trees to build our homes, or angry Shawnee seeking their land back. There just is no real need for guns. If there was a concerted effort to stop the tide of guns, over time, the criminal element would feel the restrictions too, and the last ‘reason’ for the average citizen to feel a need to own a gun would be much reduced.

    The gun culture is something that clearly not all nations subscribe to, and I am glad we have not exported that to other lands.

    From 2009

    The number of deaths in Britain from gunshot wounds has fallen to a 20-year low despite concerns about levels of violent crime.

    Most of the 42 gun-related deaths last year took place in London, the West Midlands, Manchester or Merseyside, with swathes of the country recording no homicides, suicides or accidental deaths from firearms. One third of the victims were younger than 21 and four of them were female. The Gun Control Network, which campaigns for tougher restrictions on firearms, disclosed the figure, which was a sharp drop on 2007, when 51 gun-related deaths were recorded in England, Wales and Scotland.

  4. James

    ” There just is no real need for guns.”

    The law enforcement community seems to disagree here.

    “If there was a concerted effort to stop the tide of guns, over time, the criminal element would feel the restrictions too, and the last ‘reason’ for the average citizen to feel a need to own a gun would be much reduced.”

    Over time? Over what length of time do you imagine it would take before criminals would feel those restrictions? I think you should examine a parallel with the drug trade which certainly has felt little to nothing in terms of restrictions despite billions of dollars being thrown at the problem. Until criminals start making appointments then the “last” reason will always exist.

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