Mitt Romney’s Mormon Underwear
2008 January 28
Some have commented to me that I always seem so serious about the issues that I post about on my blog. So I thought I would start the week off with something a bit lighter. This picture was sent by a friend, and seems to fit with both the political theme of the blog, and the ‘need’ to lighten the mood here at times. Tell me the next time you see Mitt on TV you will not crack a smile.
It was not until I saw the movie “Latter Days”, a gay themed movie a few years ago that I discovered Mormons wore special underwear. No kidding, I was rather perplexed about it too. Even Mike Wallace from CBS’s “60 Minutes” seems amused by the underwear.
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Right off the bat I’ll state a few things: I was raised mormon, I’m young, I didn’t attend seminary, and I’ve never read the scriptures all the way through.
I did however take the discussions and was baptized without my family trying to cram “YOU NEED TO BE MOLLY MORMON” down my throat.
I’m 18 and I live with my fiance. We’re not married. Big no-no in our religion. I’ve drank, I’ve had premarital sex, and I cuss like a sailor.
Basically, what I’m trying to say is; it’s ridiculous for grown adults to talk this way about one another. Stereotyping everything and making it out to be so extreme on either side. Mormons aren’t perfect, but we aren’t devil spawn either.
I’ve thought about leaving the church, but when it comes down to it; I believe in what I’ve been taught. I’m pretty much the prime example of what a Mormon isn’t, or shouldn’t be. The poster child for rebellion. But the fact is, every time I go to church, I get a worm fuzzy feeling, and the most welcoming smiles that I’ve ever experienced at a gathering besides with family. Sure, the church has done a lot of questionable things, and has or had some pretty extreme guidelines. I call them guidelines, not rules because we all have free agency to do whatever we please. So we have weird undies, who cares? I think they’re great for winter time, looks like they’ll keep you pretty toasty. We’re not suppose to smoke or drink. Okay, that’s fantastic. Gives me an extra reason why I shouldn’t do things that are harmful to my body. No extra peircings or tattoos – that’s pain I won’t have to subject to, or have to look at 10 years later when I may regret it. No caffiene. OH NO! That’s the deal breaker. I love Dr. Pepper, especially after a headache, but I’m not shunned for it. Coffee and tea USE to be serious stimulants, so I can see how that was written in to protect our bodies. No sex pre-marriage, most people follow that anyway. It messes with your emotions.
As far as the person who keeps blabbering about the happenings in the temple.. I have one question: have you ever been inside the temple and done any of those acts or seen those acts yourself? If you haven’t experienced them first-hand then how do you even know?
As for the after-death baptisms, every church ward I have been to has us do a geneology day where we have to look up only relatives to use. We can’t just throw in some dead friends. So, I don’t know where you got the information that we can just “dead dunk” anybody. And, really… who cares? The pope asked us to stop, right? Well, I want the stop wearing Versace and to not be paid for his job. As for the tithing thing, Nobody in my family is that strict on tithing. I’m not, I don’t pay tithing at all, but if I need help of any kind the church helps me. The church has even helped some of my non-mormon friends.
As a general people, I think mormons do some pretty amazing things with charity and such. So what, we really act hard on our recruitment. Don’t other churches? And, it offers our missionaries chances to see parts of the world and experiences other cultures they other-wise never would have had the chance to.
Maybe mormonism isn’t for everyone. That’s not what we’re taught, but we are taught free agency. I emphasize that. I believe what I believe, but I also do a lot of things that are considered the ultimate no-no’s and guess what, I’m still welcomed back every time with open arms. I don’t have to promise I’ll never stray again, most of them know I will because they do themselves. But we’re never shunned. Maybe some of you are confusing FLDS with LDS?
But alas, I guess every large group has to have a few haters.
This breaks my heart. I love my God and just want to live a good life. I just want to treat everybody as a child of God regardless of how cruel they are to me but this makes it hard. You say you just wanted to be light-hearted but I find this horribly insulting. You make yourself look ignorant when you make fun of a sacred garment that has been employed by generations of time. Sacred garments were given to Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham, Isaac and the list goes on. They are not weird or magical, they are a symbol of our respect for our bodies which God gave us. They remind us to remain pure and chaste. They are a symbol of God’s people. But I guess if you are just looking to tear down the things you don’t understand than you have succeeded in your pitiful goal.
this just shows how much you do not understand. It is ok because a Mormon
person does and will not hold malice to those who seem to just think this
is a funny thing when it really is very reverant. Forgiveness to those who do disrespectful things to those they do not understand.. hope they do not use the
word “tolerance” when speaking of others.. It seems these are often the same
people who say be “tolerant” of many “perverted ways.. ..
I am not Mormon by the way but have tremendous respect for Mormons. I am
not sure I could live as a Mormon… don’t think I am strong enough!! Keep on keeping on and yes, actually I am a Baptist and I DO believe in tolerance and understanding and love … it begins with me…
It is interesting how much hatred there is against the mormons. Why them? Why there is no persecution against other religions? Why people take time to write against a religion they don;t like. If it is so evil , stupid and nonsense why do they care??
I don;t know …..that reminds me the new testament, when people were against a nice guy who used to talk about God in a new way, questioning and changing was it had been taught for centuries, he never did any wrong to anyone, but people said he acted in Satan’s name when he healed sick people.. they treated him as a criminal… why he??? is he was insane or what he thought wasn’t true , why the persecution against him???
Just to think about it…
One of the reasons the subject of Mormons always draws so much emotion from “outsiders” is because it is not just a harmless little religion that minds their own business. LDS as an organization did not pay for prop 8, but their members DID. Look at Dallin Oaks’ comment lately about how the “persecution” Mormons are receiving for their participation in Prop 8 is akin to what blacks went through. (Yup, he said that.) They do baptisms and ordinances for the dead- which means that after people die their names can be submitted by anyone (the church “says” you should only submit your own family, but this is NOT enforced) and someone will be baptized and have other super secret temple ordinances performed on their behalf. The LDS church has come under fire for repeatedly baptizing holocaust victims and former Catholics, etc. You can look into this and find that I am not lying. You can also google “famous dead mormons” and see some of the famous people they have dead dunked. The church says this is a loving thing, but very few others see it that way. The Vatican has asked that this stop. The Jews have asked that this stop. Many former Mos write into their wills that they don’t want ordinances done in their name, but Mormons don’t respect that any more than they respect my right to not have them knocking at my door or trying to get my daughter to come to church.
There are many other things about LDS that are much more sinister than they seem. Members are told to pay tithing before rent and food, and if comes down to choosing BETWEEN rent and tithe or food for your children and tithe, you must pick tithe first, or you can’t ask the church for assistance.
Young boys are encouraged not to masturbate, which is consistent with many religions, but they are interviewed (alone, without a parent) and asked about their thought life and their “self-abuse” habits. This is inappropriate.
If a member leaves the church, they are often shunned by friends and families, many times the spouse that remains in the church is counseled to initiated divorce. If you read the temple sealing “vows”, all vows are made to the church- that you will give all your time, talents, belongings to the church. It is *not* to God, nor to each other. So if one spouse leaves, the one left behind is encouraged to leave their partner and find one who is worthy of taking them to the CK.
Young adults are encouraged to settle down and marry as soon as possible (after their mission, of course) and then are *commanded* to immediately start having kids. (Gotta bring those spirit babies down to earth so they can go to the CK, you know.) This often overtaxes people who weren’t ready, or who aren’t financially or emotionally prepared for a litter before they are even 30. This is not just expected, it is your DUTY as a good Mormon.
So, that’s just a taste as to why people speak out against LDS. There are literally dozens of reasons why it is dangerous and unhealthy. There’s this saying that people can leave the church, but they can’t leave it alone. Well, yeah. I was raped as a kid. I didn’t just “walk away” from that guy. I made sure he went to jail and was held accountable for his actions. Folks that speak out against LDS are just doing their best to make sure others aren’t subject to the abuse they faced.
Another MAJOR reason people speak out against LDS is because no Christian organization outside of LDS considers it to be Biblical Christianity. Those of us that reject LDS on Biblical means believe it is a false religion that is sending people straight to hell. So, yes, I’m going to speak out about it ,because I don’t want more people to be lead astray.
Does that answer any of your questions?
Why were you excommunicated?
If you’re talking to me- I wasn’t. (Nice that you jumped to that conclusion, though.) I am a never mo. Thank GOD. I took the lessons and investigated and discovered the truth about LDS.
How can you hate one group so thoroughly? It looks like you are completely anti-Mormon, no matter what type of person they are. Do you condemn every Mormon you meet? Or do you just type that way…
you are so wrong.. too many wrongs to even begin to correct.. I am a Mormon who does not practice any more.. I have never been counseled to divorce my husband who left the church first.
I have never been “shunned”.
The church did help us with food, heat as it helps other NON Mormons..
I left because there was one belief I did not hold but there was no chastisement of
any sort..
I found your letter to border ridiculous and it is the reason God must shutter
when he sees how we all think we are just so “right”
I can say that I miss many things and will most likely return because I have found these people..remember all are just human so all make mistakes, look not to the people but to the Lord….. to accept their members where ever in their
walk with God they are and most try to improve themselves. Judgement..
well NEVER EVER has a “talk” been done in my church that speaks against any
one else nor their religion.. we don’t always agree but we do not speak against others as we, the Mormon religion, feels that you have your own agency, that is
you choose your path.
I guess this answers my question as to whether I should return or not and the answer is yes, go back.. Reading your letter with gazillion bits of misinformation
and filled with fear and trepidation makes me realize that it is the place I wish to
be..
Also did you know that no money passes hands in the church? The Bishop works a full job plus is a Bishop for no monetary gain.. No sales are made in the church even among the scouts, womens groups etc…. it is amazing..
You would find your daughter to be so blessed if she went and you would not lose her, you would gain more than you can imagine without joining yourself.. it is NOT required…
I am sorry that I have gone on so long but to not address your comments I would not be able to sleep..
You sound like a believer in the Lord so may that same Lord that is loved by many bless you and all of yours.. meant in sincerity.
Man, I don’t know where you got your information from and why you hate us so much but you have combined lies with a kernel of truth to promote anti-mormonism. Is hate a Christian characteristic? We pay tithes to God as commanded in the Bible, which are solely used to give food, clothing and shelter to members of the church as well as millions of needy people throughout the world to do the service Christ commanded, to clothe the naked and feed the hungry. We do work for the dead so that they who never had the chance to hear the gospel may chose for themselves so they might never say I did not receive the opportunity. It affects none in an adverse way. If you truly believe we are from hell than you should not fear for your soul. Any unwanted work done for you out of love and consideration can easily be denied by you in the life to come. Divorce is counseled against unless their is a serious physical abuse occurring. We are encouraged to start our families since we believe that is the purpose of our lives, to create a family. Many of my siblings are not members of the LDS faith, they drink and smoke and live with their companions. I have friends who have alternative sexual lifestyles than I and I LOVE them. I have never shunned them nor will I. I love my family and friends and treat them with respect regardless of religion. I may not agree with them, nor do they agree with me, but we live in harmony and peace because that is what Christ taught. I shall not point my finger and judge because I have sinned too and shall try to do my best. I am sorry if any of the LDS faith have wronged you in any way. Dallin H. Oaks is an incredible man who has devoted his life to helping people and I sincerely believe you have misquoted him. Please do any faith the justice of backing it with correct information so you do not lead others falsely astray.
Trying to be a little more respectful than some of the other comments left. I still cannot believe how you would believe in such a book. Even if you ignore their past. Granted many churches got off on a wrong foot. The pope supported Hitler and sent him various letters proving so. Martin Luther denounced tithe himself but resorted to it afterward. Charles Russell has some far out ideas even though it was changed once the Bible Students were established as Jehovah’s Witnesses. But thats all besides the point.
Scriptually how can you justify writing of an additional holy book?
“However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed” – Galatians 1:8
Now Mormon’s state that the book of Mormon is not something BEYOND the good news declared but instead in addition too, right?
““I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.” – Revelations 22:18,19
So seriously, how can you justify that only Joseph Smith was able to see and translate the golden tablet?
“This is the third time I am coming to YOU. ‘At the mouth of two witnesses or of three every matter must be established’”. – 2 Corinthians 13:1
Scriptualy there is something wrong to begin with the whole idea of another book. Then to say he is the only one with that gift? yeaahhh…. okay.
Now this is quite interesting…
“Then, too, if anyone says to YOU, ‘See! Here is the Christ,’ ‘See! There he is,’ do not believe [it]. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, the chosen ones. YOU, then, watch out; I have told YOU all things beforehand”. – Mark 13:21-23
Mormon missionaries once told me, they believe in a “new Christ” that is “equal to” Jesus Christ. Really? Is that truly so? Equal to huh? Then theirs the heaven issue. Another Mormon once told me that they believe they will become a god and inherit their own planet to cultivate it as such a god. Now i know Mormons believe they will become gods. But inherit their OWN planet? Now thats just creative. Don’t get me wring thought, I don’t consider that to be a factual teaching. However theres one scripture that comes to mind.
“But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.” – Psalms 27:11
“For those being blessed by him will themselves possess the earth,
But those upon whom evil is called by him will be cut off.” – Psalms 27:22
“Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth” – Mathew 5:5
Even the model prayer that everyone is so familiar with:
“Our Father in the heavens, let you name be sanctified. Let you kingdom COME. Let your will take place, as in heaven, ALSO UPON EARTH.” – Mat 6:9,10
I could go one with different teaching but I think I’ve said enough. Listen there are thousands of religions out there. But there is one true one. I have done my fair share of comparing and and convinced that I have found the one. That is not why I am writing this however.
“Beloved Ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expression to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.” – 1 John 4:1
There are thousands of christian religions, however only one bible. Jesus warned us of false prophets. BTW if anyone is curious as to which bible I used. I did my research on the most accurate translation of the bible. Google it. It even came up as a Jeopardy question once.
Ok. enough. If anyone wants a serious respectful open-minded conversation then email me. little_dude18@hotmail.com I don’t wanna argue with anyone. Thats my seldom used email so don’t think your gonna bother me if you send 100 emails. But ill keep an eye out for ppl.
all those opposing to us , Mormons , are ignorant . It is not understood why are you so angry at us. Look at the work the church is doing across the globe. We support the good causes, we are good citizens of the world. And you only want to find someone so you can take it out on.
We are in a free country, where you can express whatever you want, but we were also taught by our mothers to respect others.
Mormonism is a hateful cult. Not “worthy?” Too bad! You can’t see your child/sibling/best friend get married. Yeah, talk about “family first.”
I GUARANTEE that I know more about the history and truth of your church than you do- and it is NOT a pretty one. I investigated the church, really praying to see if it was true. The more I learned, the more scared I got. And when I finally started to see some of the scarier parts, I told the missionaries to leave me alone. They DIDN’T. I had to get a RESTRAINING ORDER against them because they would not stop harassing me.
The temple ceremonies pre-1990 (when they still had the miming of the throat slitting and the promising to die rather than divulge the secret handshakes) were horrifying. And about that- all through the BoM there are all these warnings against secret combinations. Yet the whole temple ceremony is supposed to be “secret.” And you absolutely DO have secret combinations in the form of “tokens” and such to get to heaven. And those super “sacred” ceremonies that were sent straight from heaven and were “restored” have been changed multiple times, even though Smith said they should NEVER be changed at all. Huh. How does that work?
LD$, INC ™ doesn’t publish it’s finances at all (unlike other trustworthy denominations or organizations) so I can’t find exact numbers- but the estimates are that it gives out less than 2% of it’s income in humanitarian aid. Instead they are spending BILLIONS (2 billion last published number) on a mall in SLC, and arrested a gay couple for *kissing* on what they didn’t even know was LDS property.
It’s a hateful, racist (blacks couldn’t hold the priesthood until 1978, BY said interracial marriage should be punished by DEATH ON THE SPOT, and the BoM still says black skin is the mark from sins in the preexistance,) wasteful, deceitful organization. Their own leadership has said, “Not all truth is faith promoting” and they encourage people to lie about church history so that people won’t lose their testimonies.
It’s BULL5h!T!!! And it’s a cult. And I’m sooooooooooo glad I said “NO!” to baptism and continue to enjoy the TRUE spirit of God in a church that acknowledges that God was NEVER a man and that we can’t be gods and that the Bible is God’s word and that Joseph Smith was nothing more than a fraud.
I think all of those, who read your comment, can see who’s hateful.
As for the rest of what you are saying, you are parroting misunderstandings, misrepresentations or misquotations that are circulated among the anti-mormons.
I guarantee that, as LDS for 30 years, filling those years with active study of Church history, that I know more about it than you. Your comments bear that out. It is by no means uglier than that of any other group of human beings. You see, although the prophet, as we understand it, holds the keys of the priesthood, we, as saints, are nowhere near perfect; neither is the prophet.
As for the misquotations; did Brigham Young say that a man marrying a black woman should be punished by death? Absolutely not. He said, that a man raping a black woman should. Did he approve of mixed marriages? No, obviously not, what with the idea of a black-white marriage being totally foreign to most Americans. You should see 19th-century saints as products as their time, and not demand them to go by standards that most Americans have only accepted within the last five decades; some still haven’t, as witnessed by all the hatemongering against Obama.
BTW, how many times must it be said, that tithing funds are NOT used for City Creek Mall development. Tithing money is disbursed along guidelines given by the Lord, and that does not include business ventures. No. The mall is financed from an investment fund originally created from the proceeds of selling Church-owned land in SLC and other areas. I realize that sounds awful complicated to your simple mind, but there it is.
Nothing is taught in the temple that is not available to anyone, who wishes to put a little effort into it. Deseret Book, for example, has published a number of books about the subject. And it’s all in the Scriptures, anyway. So rant on, rant on. Every rant just proves you emptier.
It’s all available to anyone who wants to know? That is one of the biggest lies I have ever heard. Before the wonder of the internet, which will be the downfall of LDS, it was not possible to find the truth about what goes on. You have gone, no? So you swore that you’d allow your life be taken before you betrayed the secrets of the temple. Granted, it’s no longer the throat slitting, bowel tossing mime that it once was, but it’s still there.
But, by all means. Keep paying your tithe and baptizing dead people who dedicated their lives to other faiths and wearing your ugly, bunchy undies.
You can say whatever you want to say about the prophesies and practices of our church but its just negative slander that only comes form one source. And you may penetrate the people out there who have not yet heard about the Church but believe me Im not giving up my membership because of the so called “facts” you have stated.
Why dont you try reporting more positive things like our tithing system that members pay 10% of thier earnings and fast offerings monthly with no obligation to enable our Church to be involved charity work in the world and also in the small communities in nearly every country on the planet and also the fact that no-one is the church is paid except cleaners and groundsmen. Because you dont want people to know the good!!
I find it sad that you can show a picture of people in their temple garments which is something that is so sacred to us which signifies spiritual cleanilness and purity which as members of the Church we all strive to be. I truely hope one day you will understand what you have done. I know in my heart that the teachings of the church are true no-body and nothing is perfect but Christ we can only try to be.
Two quick comments:
First, I was working in a Word doc that I didn’t edit well and so yes, I used the same example twice in my last post. Sorry about that.
Second- I’m not interested in engaging in a debate with Mormons. You already know most of my arguments, and I know your answers- which are either A. lies B. Bible verses taken out of context and twisted or C. verses from BoM, PoGP, etc, which I don’t acknowledge anyway. I’m not going to change your mind, and you are absolutely not going to change mine.
My posts are here for those that only hear the “LDS is a loving, safe, family oriented Christian organization that has the next testament of JC and you should come join us!” side of things. I’m simply providing truth and balance to a conversation that is so manipulated and distorted by Mormons.
Let’s look at just a few of Smith’s failed prophecies:
About David W. Patten Smith said:
“Verily, thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto the world. (Doctrine & Covenants 114:1)”
This prophecy was made on April 17, 1838. David W. Patten died in October of 1838 and thus never went on a mission the following spring.
2. The United States Government
to be overthrown in a few years
I prophecy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left for their wickedness in permitting the murder of men, women and children, and the wholesale plunder and extermination of thousands of her citizens to go unpunished (History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 394).
Joseph Smith made this prophecy in May 6, 1843. However, the United States Government did not redress any of the wrongs committed against the Mormons in Missouri, and now over 150 years later, the U.S. Government still stands.
3. A temple would be built in Joseph Smith’s generation in Zion, Missouri- Nope, never happened.
4. In 1835 a prophecy was recorded by Oliver Cowdery by Joseph Smith. It said: “President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh — even fifty six years should wind up the scene. (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).” More than 56 years have passed since this prophecy was given- God has not yet returned.
5 In 1843 Smith prophesied the fall of the US gov’t: “I prophecy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left for their wickedness in permitting the murder of men, women and children, and the wholesale plunder and extermination of thousands of her citizens to go unpunished (History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 394).” The US has never addressed the “wrongs committed” and yet still stands as a great nation.
Deut 18:21-22 says the following about identifying true vs false prophets:
“And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”
The bottom line is that while there are hundreds of prophecies from Smith that never came to pass, he only needed to fail on ONE to show that he was a false prophet and a liar. If he fails once, we are told he is NOT a prophet. Even if God’s word didn’t give us this measure to use, how can you trust a prophet that is wrong half of the time? The BoM is filled with lies and things that are easily discredited. (Eden in Missouri? Indians were Hebrew? Chariots and horses before they were introduced to the continent?!) So I ask you- if he was wrong EVEN ONCE, how do you know that you can trust anything else he says?
I’m sure you have a list of “answers”- all canned answers that I have heard and that you have been spoon fed to counter your cognitive dissonance. I assure you, though- Joseph Smith was nothing more than a crook, a charlatan and a liar. He was NOT a prophet. The LDS church is NOT a Christian church, and it is NOT the “restored” gospel. It is a false gospel that is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ and the New Testament.
Nope, it’s true. All of the objections you raised have straight forward answers. Go research it for yourself. And spare me your ridicule, it’s pathetic.
“That people raise such a stink, means they know somewhere inside them, that there is something to it, and it bothers them. Make of that what you will.”
Again with telling people what they think, and what is right for them.
No. I think it’s disrespectful to be arrogant enough to say “Sure, I know the Jewish holocaust victims DIED because of their religion and their heritage, but I’m gonna go ahead and be a d!ck and baptize them into the Church of Joseph Smith and the Latter Day Suckers! Who cares if the Jewish church has come out and asked us NOT TO?! We’re Mormons! Catholics are the Whore of Babylon! We’re the only right and true church! We’re doing you all A FAVOR!!”
That is arrogant and disrespectful. It’s almost as bad as passing legislation banning marriages you happen to disagree with. You belong to a hateful and controlling cult. All you are to them is a tithe check. Read your Bible. Jesus tore down EVERY wall between man and God and said that if we have seen Him, we have seen the Father. There is no need for tokens and handshakes. Jesus hated and came out against those that created ritual and walls between man and God. Smith’s “restored” Church looks nothing like the New Testament Church, nor the one Christ established when He was here. What did He do? He sat around a camp fire with the guys, teaching them, hanging out with them, loving on the lowliest folks around. He didn’t spend billions on temples and malls.
I don’t fall for a cult that doesn’t mention that your super secret sacred name that you are given at your endowment was given to everyone else that walked into any temple on that same given day. I don’t fall for a cult that lies about its heritage and hides doctrine like saying that some sins are outside of the forgiveness of Jesus and can only be settled by killing the sinner. (One of which was interracial marriage, btw! Oh, the horror!!) How about the fact that church doctrine said that those of colored skin will be made “white and delightsome” when they get to heaven? How about the dozen different accounts of the first vision? I don’t trust a cult that refuses to let “unworthy” parents, siblings and friends attend the marriage ceremonies held in the temple. I don’t trust a cult that says you are not worthy to be in God’s presence if you don’t give him 10% of your increase- even if you are defaulting on your mortgage or your kids aren’t eating, if you drink coffee, if you engage in oral sex with your spouse, if you associate with any apostates (including family members!), if you masturbate, etc. The only thing needed to get to God is faith in Christ. That’s it. There’s no need for callings, “worthiness interviews,” temple recommends…
Paul warns against false prophets who preach what itching ears want to hear. “Forever families” and the ability to become a god on your own little planet sound exactly like that.
Make no mistake- I have looked, and looked hard, at the LDS church. I *wanted* it to be true. But it isn’t my friends, it isn’t.
I will just “rite” one wrong, that seems to be perpetrated upon comment boards:
Jews did not die for their religion. Dying for a religion implies, that there was an “out” for them by denying their Jewishness. In regards of racism, it’s been said, that blacks can be accepted by many kinds of racist by knowing their place in society, and staying there (not becoming “uppity” as it’s colloquially put). Jews, on the other hand, can only be accepted by stop being Jewish. Since Jewishness is primarily seen as a racial condition by most racists, their only option is to die. Many are willing to help them along the way.
I am a little touchy about that subject, because relatives of my forebears were also among the hunted ones, who were seen as “contaminating” the pure aryan race. They, like the Jews, had no “out” offered them in the model of Shadrach, Meshag and Abed-Nego. They were just thrown in, after they had expened their usefulness by doing hard labor with inadequate nutrition until they were too sick to get up any more.
No, Jews didn’t die for their religion. On the contrary, hundreds of thousands died despite doing their best not to do anything that would betray their Jewishness — and hand’t they already proved their credentials by being so totally assimilated, that they had been Lutherans or Catholics for quite a while? Many of them were only interned after some neighbor informed the authorities, that their grandparents had in fact been Jews. “Iniquity” of the fathers truly was visited upon the children, but then it was the Jewish law that forbade it.
And besides, I don’t tell you what you think. You tell it to me by howling over some business you obviously know or care little about, and if you do, you have an odd way of saying it. You tell me, then: If we don’t have the priesthood keys, how is it detrimental that we utter their name? Rember, no voodoo, no digging up bodies, no other funny business, unless you consider the very idea of baptism funny, in which case it’s pitiful more than outrageous. And despite the illogic of the protestation, the Church has tried to comply with the wishes of Holocaust victims’ and others’ relatives. But do you have any idea how hard some unthinking individuals have worked to undermine the effort? I do voluntary work, and I know how hard the Church has tried.
Now a system is in place, that will basically stop people from doing work for anything but their relatives, unless they just blatantly falsify the info they submit about their relationship. And keeping a database of “undoable” names would create all kinds of legal problems (like just the simple fact, that federal law forbids anybody from recording the religious affiliation of people on wholesale basis, unless they are their own members).
You genuinely don’t get it do you? How about I create a rite where I “dead dunk” you all gay? Are you telling me that the LDS church wouldn’t have a total and completely hissy fit if we started taking all of your names and “baptizing” you as homosexual?
You DO NOT have the rite to dishonor people and their memory, and the choices they made on this planet, by forcing your cultic rituals on them after they are dead. It is shameful and hateful and absolutely disrespectful. If I wanted your damn religion I would come and get it. As for those who “don’t have the opportunity” here on earth- if God is so all powerful- why make work for the dead necessary? Since our bodies will be resurrected (which is why many mos won’t be cremated and are selfish enough to not donate their organs), they can be baptized in the millenium. All it is is busy work to keep you sheeple paying your tithe so you can have your magic ticket to the International House of Handshakes.
And you don’t think it’s significant that the man that you reject the Biblical Jesus for had 30+ wives? That he was marrying 14 year old girls and women that were already married to other living men? If Smith was wrong on any one of his prophecies (and he failed on MANY of them, google “joseph smith failed prophecies” and click on the RFM link provided) then how can you trust ANY of his words? If new revelation supercedes old revelation, does that mean that past prophets weren’t inspired? Either prophets are inspired by God or they’re not. Pre 1978, blacks weren’t allowed the priesthood b/c their skin was a result of their sins in the preexistance, per the BoM. The BoM also claims that the Lamanites (American Indians) are descendant from the Hebrews. Wrong! The BoM also describes steel, chariots, horses and many other things that were NOT on this continent (where the garden of eden supposedly was) until long after Joseph Smith’s baloney history says they were.
Either he was an inspired prophet, or he was not. I guarantee you that he was not.
I can’t speak for the LDS Church, but I woulnd’t give a rat’s ass. You have nothing on me, no authority, absolutely nothing. That people raise such a stink, means they know somewhere inside them, that there is something to it, and it bothers them. Make of that what you will.
Rite or right?
Anywho, apparently I don’t have the right to dishonor anybody. I don’t think it dishonors anybody, where a name is uttered in a dignified baptism with witnesses and a scribe, as per Doctrine & Covenants. Nothing cultic about that, just “finishing some unfinished business”… Sorry, that was My attempt at humor.
All weirdness and “cultishness” a construction of almost two centuries of people, who have no wish to even try to understand what this is about, by slander and innuendo.
Anyhow, others apparently have the rite to dishonor people, who made the choice to be straight, although they were tempted by the “dark side”. Or to write books, where Biblical characters are openly gay without any evidence they were even closet gays during life? Are you as outraged by that as proxy baptisms? You should be if your perception of yourself is anything that could be called fair.
Lola, I am going to second Velska’s comment. Faithful members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints wouldn’t care less if you baptized them “gay” (whatever that might mean) or if you baptized them into the church of the Devil. You could create whatever rite you would like. We would not care. The rite you create would have no affect on the hereafter because you would have no authority to perform it. Satan will have no influence over the righteous after this life.
I love how anyone has a differing opinion about the morg is ignorant or hateful or against God or whatever.
I did the lessons. I read the BoM and D&C. I went to sacrament. I earnestly prayed, b/c I sincerely want all that God wants for me. But HE revealed to me that this is not His church. When I was told over and over to not look at any info outside of the morg, and was told that “If you want to know about a Ford, go to a Ford dealership” and also told that “You’re not ready for that answer” I knew I had to research for myself. I only believe things that I can back up using the morg’s own materials and this available through deseret. Everything I have learned I can back up using your own history books and genealogy records. If you REALLY want to know one of the big issues for me, google “the wives of joseph smith”, scroll down and click on the “Remembering the Wives of Joseph Smith PDF file” link. If you can read all of that (which comes STRAIGHT from familysearch) and not have a problem with it, good for you.
Also, read Under the Banner of Heaven. If your faith is so twue, then you have nothing to fear. IN FACT- if it is so true and right, you will only strengthen your testimony by being able to answer the critics better. Give it a shot, see if you don’t learn something one way or another. At least you’ll understand where some of the “persecution” you guys “suffer” comes from.
And really? You want to quote scripture about mocking? So it’s okay for mo’s to mock my religion, and Jewish religion by dead dunking holocaust victims?! That’s respect? Be warned- God will not be mocked. He made His identity extremely clear in the Bible. He has aNEVER been a God, Jesus and Satan were not spirit brothers, God has never changed, there is only ONE God and it is Him….. I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes on judgment day, that’s all.
Mormons mock your religion by doing stuff like the the fake pic at the top of this post? Which religion is that.
As for proxy temple worlk, I think of it this way: If we have the Priesthood, then we’re doing the right thing. If we don’t who cares, since it means just that we believe that we are not forever condemned at the time of death.
How does it mock your religion that we don’t think you have the full truth or right to perform ordinances more than you going around telling others that we are dead wrong, and quoting lies and stuff out of context?
BTW, Joseph Smiht’s wifes are not a secret. Under the Banner of Heaven is a bit like saying, that because there are serial killers in the USA all U.S. born people are serial killers. BY spoke belligerently, for sure, but look what happened when the Johnston Army came to SLC. They didn’t lift a finger, did they. MMM? The whole story not out, but strictly an outlier there instead of anything sinister that doesn’t exist in all Americans, who are the most violent Westerners I’ve ever happened, and most likely to kill you for a sideways look.
But what have JS’s wives to do with anything? He was not perfect by our standards. Was Moses? Didn’t he kill an Egyptian dude and spend years on the lam?
Whooptie, doo! Mormons wear underwear! Any other big revelations?
There is so much anti-mormon propaganda and Mormon folklore surrounding the issue, that it’s almost impossible to understand without putting some effort in it.
And if you’re not *wlling* to understand it, why bother?
This is to who ever decided to selfishly bash the Mormon religion… Yes, it’s obvios you don’t understand, and for that reason, it’s obvious as to why you felt the need to actually go on a computer and judge a religion millions of other people believe in (and actually understand). I feel sorry for the next religion you try to “learn” about, because it’s obvious when you may not understand/dissagree with something, you get on a computer and start giving people a false understanding of what this church is about. What is that saying about YOU? No matter what relion a person is in, it doesn’t give a right to bring other’s down and especially flaunt their very personal, sacred things. That is extremely out of line and not to mention immature. Is that what the God YOU believe in wants you to do? And just so you know… “A religion without rules, is no religion at all”… Why don’t you really ponder that. There’s a reason why relion’s (any religion) have rules, even if we don’t yet understand them. Obviously that’s because religion comes from someone who gives them to us for a reason…
Fools mock but they shall mourn. Ether 12:26
-i used to be wary of GOD’s wrath
-when i was very young, in order to CONTROL me, my mum always scared me by saying the adult men in the streets were actually police-in-plain-clothes, they were sent by GOD
-now i’ve observed S/HE/IT (GOD) deals HER/HIS/ITS wrath out like a poker card-dealer, i.e., randomly
-look at Bernard Madoff’s family, his wife & sons are still relishing his hidden loot to the tune of billions, while millions of good old honest pensioners, some blue-collared labourers, others all over the world ( e.g. 4 cities in norway), were cheated of their whole life-savings
-that’s my GOD, a manic-depressive psychotic!
-i would use HER/HIM/IT to scare or control other simpletons the way my mum scared me
-oh how much i love this GOD, or was it DOG
Did you show your Pastor this post? Why don’t you ask him if he thinks it’s funny?
i ‘attached’ the mitt.rar file to “WordPress.com”
how do i ‘attach a .vob file’ to this comment section
i don’t have the acumen to convert a .vob file to .flv or .wmv or .mpg1
can anyone help me
i’ve got a .rar file to post
-if anyone is interested to see mitt romney’s comment, drop a line, i’ll email it to you
Feel free to use this comment section to post it.
Ace permalink
-i’m so very glad you reacted so emotionally to my post, so should anyone who is against racism, sexism, fundamentalism, discriminations of any kind…
-i know that you didn’t mean personally towards me since you don’t know who i am, obviously you’re just upset over the things that i posted regarding the church, which is a blessing! thank GOD at last i’m not the only mormon, present- or ex-, who resents them
-BUT PLZ CHECK OUT EVERYTHING I POSTED WITH ANY ‘MAINSTREAM’ MORMON (the LDS) WHO WAS BAPTIZED BEFORE 1977
-I KNOW THE NEWLY-JOINED MORMONS DON’T ‘like’ WHAT I POSTED
-BUT THEN WHEN YOU STAY THERE LONG ENOUGH…
-i implore any ’seasoned’ mormon to explain to me why at one time BLACK (AFRO-AMERICAN) male members were not allowed priesthood
-why a mother has to obey her son who has the AUTHORITY ( i.e PRIESTHOOD) when convening, say, ‘blessing to heal the sick’ ( for the uninitiated, when any mormon is sick, the priesthood holders have the power to impart ‘blessing’ or healing power by putting their hands on the person’s head).
-in a nutshell, only male can have priesthood, and priesthood-holders have the supreme power over everything. in the church, at home, anywhere, to the ‘devout’ LDS. if a female LDS doesn’t like it, that’s not the church’s teachings, that’s the woman’s problem
-as to mitt romney’s stance on ‘enhanced intelligence-gathering techniques, such as water-boarding…’ it was well documented. any democrat can come up with a tape of him saying that. i saw it in a doco regarding ‘torture’ made in conjunction with UN
-now the Amelakites
one morning in the bankstown ward in sydney, a sunday school class on old
testaments, we were doing the ‘War of extermination against the Amalekites’
…”(2) Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in
opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. (3) Now go and
strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them,
but KILL BOTH MAN & WOMAN, & INFANT, ox and sheep, camel and
donkey.” (1 Sam. 15:2-3).
obviously i thought that was just allegorical, a symbol representing an
abstract idea. and then i jokingly asked the class, who would actually literally
follow it in his or her right mind. a young man of 26, yes 26 y.o said: if GOD tells
me to do it, i’ll do it, it’s GOD’s will. i turned to the female teacher for her
response, she said it was in her ‘teacher’s manual’ to teach the scriptures as
they are. then another elder in the class reprimanded me for ‘SPOILING THE
HOLY SPIRIT’ in this biblical lesson for i was questioning the authority of the
’sunday school’ text (obviously written by some authoritative church scholars),
thus the church.
-has the church changed? well, just think, how recent was mitt romney’s comment? but then he might not represent the church
-can’t any present mormon challenge the church authority on these issues, if s/he dare?
Sir, There is nothing I can say on this venue that would change your mind.
That will only happen in your spiritual life through meditation and prayer on the subject.
We believe in ongoing revelation which means that things do change when directed by the Lord through the Spirit. That’s what a prophet is for. It’s not unlike the New Testament change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday or taking the gospel to “Gentiles” outside of “Israel” as Paul did.
You sound more articulate in your second post.
May the Lord give you understanding as you turn to Him for confirmation of what is true.
-”We believe in ongoing revelation which means that things do change when directed by the Lord through the Spirit. That’s what a prophet is for.”
-Ace, I can’t agree with you more! I absolutely believe in this : things do change when directed by the Lord. Except that you wait for ‘change’ THROUGH the revelations acquired by YOUR PROPHET, I believe in ‘changes’ dictated by my Lord.
-After all, your church is called ‘The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Days Saints’, not ‘The Church of GORDON HINCKLEY of Latter-Days Saints’, nor ‘The Church of JOSEPH SMITH of Latter-Days Saints’. Why would anyone put more faith in other MORTALS, the so-called PROPHETS, than in their LORD who is so readily accessible thru prayers & humility, is beyond me!
i was a mormon
joined in jan 08 1977 in hongkong
then not long later a piece of news shocked me
on jan 17 1977 utah resumed the first execution in usa after a along time
the guy was gary gilmore (ever heard of gary gilmore’s eyes)
then later i learned the black people were not allowed to have priesthood
in this church until later after protest
since they are descendants of cain (cain & abel in the old testaments)
the church said they should be punished not to have the privilege for cain’s sin
women definitely & naturally were prohibited as well
even now
then during sunday school us ‘young men’ were encouraged to kill women & children were there a war against our faith (old testament-amelakites)
fancy that
wiping out the iraqis, or anybody, like wiping out the Amelakites,
no church is advocating that
but mormon church?
heard what mitt romney said about ‘abu graib’, about torture?
“no, no, no, we have to double that, we have to double our effort in this enhanced information gathering technique…”
that’s the spirit of the “latter-day saints”…
the role of a woman at home could be kind of even under her son
say the son, even only 14, is the only male member in the family
the mother has to obey the son since he is the one with the ‘priesthood’
how about that…
if you want to know more
join the church
it is quite fun
cjc6ahmdc – you don’t know what the hell you are talking about.
As a bad-girl Mormon turned more devout, I can tell you that 80% of your post is bullshit!
So quit saying you were a member of the Lord’s church because it sounds like you weren’t.
Ace,
You sound most devout…….
I think it is very rude to post something like this as a joke when it is not funny whatsoever to anyone who has any idea what the garments represent. They are obviously something that are very sacred to Latter Day Saints (Mormons) and dont appreciate them so publicly displayed on the Internet.
Mackenzie,
Thanks for writing.
The topic of Mormon underwear is a topic that gets lots of Google time every day, and some of those folks land here on my site. In fact, this topic, and this post is one of the top three repeated hits on my blog.
As a curious person, and one who enjoys learning news things, I see no problem with posting on any topic. Sterile minds are boring, and so while you may not think it proper to have this post up, over 18,000 other people around the nation and world want to see what Mormon underwear is all about. The freedom of speech that we talk about and value as a nation is here on display at Caffeinated Politics.
Have a nice day.
I always wondered what that underwear looked like. Being catholic not one to throw stones if you know what I mean, but the underwear thing is strange.
I am very glad that I changed my mind in the 60’s and backed out of becoming a Mormon. I certainly do NOT wish to wear this underwear, nor do I wish to put my life on hold for 2 years and go out on missionary work -safe passage NOT guaranteed. I also believe in birth control and Zero Population Growth.
Well yeah it is photoshopped……!!!! Are you serious with your comment, as if that is news to anyone?
Many of you need to get a grip…..
I posted this blog entry with a dose of humor, and it remains on this blog as such. If others get their undies in a bind over the matter that really is too bad.
It my post teetles you off….you will love this……
http://www.salamandersociety.com/romney/070219mitt_ann_romney_underwear.gif
They may be Mormons and probably wear the underwear but this is a photoshopped pic (even I can tell that) and you lose credibility when you do things like this.
Shame on you people! Why cant you accept any religion. It is people’s choice to join a church, in my mind… Church and Cult are wayy different. In respect for Mormons, please take this post off, it is too painful to see God’s children to taunt eachother.
I have no problem with a person following his/her religion so long that person does not bother to interfere how I live/believe. What is the use of missionary? Try to show other people that the way of life they are living is WRONG! Give me a break!
This post tells a lot about your character. Can’t believe someone would stoop this low. I would not trust anything said on this site or by this person.
I am also a Mormon, and you should take it upon yourself to tell your friend who sent you this pic that although the garments seem humorous to someone who does not understand their symbolism, they are very sacred to those of our religion, and we would hope that you would respect our sacred practices just like we would yours.
Ah yes, the way you respect my religion.
You mean, by sending mishie boys to my door to tell me that my version of the gospel is wrong and that I don’t know God and that I need to change my beliefs and rearrange my life and disregard most of the Bible so I can fall in line with the “new” revelations in the BoM, WoW, etc?
The LDS church doesn’t respect other religions in the SLIGHTEST. If you had your way, every last person on the planet would drop their religion and join your cult. Respect. Don’t make me laugh.
this is horrible. i am a mormon. and this is really really horrible.
I’ll lay two to one odds Romney is a practicing homosexual, making him a bisexual. No doubt Gordon Hinkley’s successor will have to smoke some magic weed and mumble some magic words of absolution to help us forget it all.
I’ll lay two to one odds you spend most of your time trolling religious boards making fun of every religion except your own. I’ll also lay two to one odds that you feel God has snubbed you in life.
“Two to one odds…”
Did I miss something? Isnt’ gambling still considered a sin? I KNOW in the LDS church it is!
Ferris: A capitalist is indeed a redeeming quality.
It’s after all the American Way. Work hard and get rewarded for the hard work.
Not cradle to grave entitlement Socialism as President Obama continues to promote, endorse and take us all down that highway to hell..
Trust me when we get there, we will be in hell and it will be very hard to get out.
@Tom Canton
You act like this “Mitt Romney is A Capitalist” is a redeeming quality.
Dan: Of course how silly of me.. If it is on the internet, it must be gospel…
Mitt Romney has not done the following:
- Cheated on his wife
- Dodged taxes
- Faced federal racketeering charges
- Hung out with known Terrorists and admired them
Mitt Romney is definitely:
- An American Citizen and can prove it
- A Capitalist
- Moral and Ethical
The only “mistake” if you want to call it that Mitt Romney made in the 2008 campaign was admit he is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Everyone flipped out and decided that if Mitt Romney was elected we can go ahead and change the name of the country to the “United States of the Latter Day Saints”.
That I believe was one of the biggest injustices in Presidential Campaign history..
Mitt Romney in 2012…
How do you know of the assertions you make? Romney hasn’t been subject to any scrutiny on any of the matters you mention. No doubt he will have committed some sort of transgression. Your job will be to forgive him and cast your vote on who will carry out the best government policy as you define it. If you happen to define it as a religious one, then so be it.
mormons are an off shoot cult from the Christian religion. Some other things to think about:
- the founder of the mormon cult had a vision (magic mushroom induced?) – discovered a book under a log and needed magic peep stones to read it
- he was later killed by a mob who dragged him from the jail that he was locked into for his own protection after inciting violence, censorship and trying to bribe judges who charged cult members with crimes
- they ended up in utah because they caused so much trouble in missouri that the governor of the state actually signed an execution order for all mormon cult members. They were chased out the state – one of their own had another vision (more magic mushrooms?) and lead them to the only place no one at the time wanted to live – the salt lake where you can’t drink the water
- they believe the big guy JC himself will return to US, more specifically to the state missouri (where cult got it’s start), after spending time in Missouri JC will settle down and find a place to live (and of course become a mormon and have ten wives or so)
It goes on and on . I am not making any of this up. Do a google search and read more for your self.
The mormon cult has spread through out the country now – they live among us like aliens from outer space….watch out for them!!
Like aliens you say, look out for them…how ridicules. Dan you are either a former member, excommunicated for serious sin you wouldn’t repent of or you never met a Mormon in your life, which is it? I would live with good members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints over any other group of people on the earth. What type of people do you like to hang out with?
come on….. seriously you guys…. you really expect anyone who is lds(mormon) to admit to the brainwashing while still being a TBM…. from outside the church is to much clearer how corrupt the whole thing is… I do think that the stigma and steroetypes that goes with being mormon come from uneducated people who know nothing other than the crock they’re parroting back…. but in all seriousness there are a number of unsettling facts about the church from opression and servitude-like view and projection of women to the acceptance of slavery(its in scripture) the the beating and stoning to death of children for such acts as talking back or “disobeying” is how I believe it is said in leviticus aswell as psalms… not to mention the creepy rituals (ok…. THE TEMPLE ORDINANCES) which include
-Baptism for the dead
– Endowment for the dead and the living
– Sealings for the dead and the living
– Sealing of husband and wife (marriage)
– Sealing of children to parents
– Second Anointing (or Second Endowment)
ALSO this list used to include blood atonement…
Creepy creepy stuff…….
Get educated people…. this is NOT a man we want in office
I agree, RUN MITT RUN 2012!!!!! The United States of America and ALL of Her people will prosper with President Mitt Romney!
You are such an idiot if you actually believe any of this. The only reason that you want an idiot like Mitt for President is because he’s Mormon! He can’t be inpartial in any aspect!!!! He would make a worser president than Bush!
Smart Person says things like “worser.”
I rest my case.
Mitt Romney in 2012.
‘I love it when people tell me I’m a member of a cult and fail to realize that they too are members of a cult.’
You don’t know too many atheists, do you?
Anyway, the only difference between a cult and religion is numbers and time. Mormons see other Christians as Christians see Jews and as Jews see (well, saw) Pagans– they’re a step behind when it comes to enlightenment and messiahs! Why can’t they catch up?
I’m sure a Mormon sect will introduce another magical, un-witnessed miracle and prophet in a few hundred years.
Oh, and if your god and religion can’t handle criticism, perhaps they aren’t really thats trong to begin with…
Just because you have freedom of religion does not make the subject exempt from discussion. Religion has to stop being this taboo subject you shall not joke about or scrutinize.
Evolution of thought people…
Discussion is a good thing, but respect is an integral part of it. Somewhere in this country we have forgotten how to disagree with each other without name calling and hate-mongering. I’m all for discussion, understanding each other would be helpful. If we could do this we would find common ground to work from, but instead it turns into nasty name calling and lie telling sessions.
Every religion is made up of flawed human beings who do not always represent their beliefs as well as they should. If you want to know the truth about any religion, honestly take your questions to a member of that faith. Seeking your information from someone who hates it will never give you a clear picture.
Ask yourself one question, if I someone wanted to learn more about me who would be the best to tell them about me, my friends or my enemies? Those that understand me, or those that hate me?
There are a few flaws in your logic, Ann.
If you wanted to find out the truth about a Ford, would you *only* talk to Ford dealer? Would you *only* read Ford press releases and advertisements? Or would you also check with former Ford owners, experts in the auto industry, impartial 3-rd parties like Consumer Reports? Would you consider buying it without looking into Ford’s history, and learning where their materials come from and learning about their failures? Or would you just let a smarmy salesman sell you the first thing that “felt” right to you?
As for the “talk to the person’s friends” argument- do ya think that would have given you an accurate view of Hitler? How about the Columbine killers- what if you had just talked to their parents the day before the shootings? Would that give you an accurate view of what was going on? Or is it possible that those folks would either lie about the truth or be blind to it altogether?
One of the very first things that tipped me off that something wasn’t quite right was when one of the missionaries I was meeting with got very stern with me and *ordered* me not to look at any info on the internet. Seriously, he took this very “don’t feed the gremlins after dark, OR ELSE” voice and leaned in close and told me that I shouldn’t look at anything on the internet about Mormonism. That set off warning bells like nothing else.
You’re right- all religions have flawed people in them. But if LDS was true, then it would still shine bright and win out over the controversies and the accusations. It could easily stand up to any and all scrutiny, instead of having the two big come backs that it has: “Those are lies” or “That person is a bitter apostate that couldn’t live the WoW so they fell away.” Mormonism fails, though, over and over.
Please take this picture off your post. It’s obviously an longstanding anti-Mormon picture available everywhere on the net with Mitt and Ann’s faces photoshopped onto the bodies.
This is VERY disrespectful and anti-American. We have freedom of religion in this country and should be left alone on this matter. Do you mock the undergarments that Catholic monks and nuns wear? These things are sacred to our faith.
Cheap shot!
Actually… people make fun of the pope’s robes and hat all the time, and he doesn’t cry about it and say it’s sacred! People dress up like nuns for Halloween! Remember the movies Sister Act and Sister Act 2? Yet no Catholics got their undies in a wad screaming that it’s sacred and we have no right to talk about it.
You people take yourselves waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously and have no understanding that when you say “sacred” what you mean is “secret.” There are many things I consider sacred- yet I will talk about any one of them.
I love it when people tell me I’m a member of a cult and fail to realize that they too are members of a cult. I ask, “Do you attend a church worship service on a regular or semi-regular basis?” In response, “Why yes, I do have a religious affiliation.” That’s when I must direct them to understand what the meaning of a “cult” is: A system or community of religious worship and ritual (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult). That never seems to sit well with them. As far as it being considered false, as one of the possible interpretations of a definition outlines in that link, it is presumed to be false. Who made mr. dekerivers and other detractors the experts in defining what religion is false and which is true? That’s a matter of interpretation, no? Could it be possible that all these Baptists, Catholics, and other religious groups be the true cults of society?
Mormonism is a nutty cult and I have no problem mocking Romney who always struck me as being a bit android like but Mrs. Romney has MS and cancer and really shouldn’t be on the firing line.
Childish? Yes. You should change to decaf.
This is the funniest thing I have seen all day.
Awesome! And might I add these pricks are cult-like.
I think this is very childish and crude. We are not a cult and we do not go around bashing on other religions they way people seem to do with us. This is very offensive and rude!
You don’t? So, you didn’t serve a mission (or support someone who did?) You were never baptized, endowed or sealed for and on behalf of someone (who was not mormon) who is dead?
I laugh at the fact that you can, for one second, claim that Mormons “respect” any other religion.
You people are so serious. lmao
Let’s see… as far as the belief of members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (aka Mormons) being a cult… well, I got curious and looked it up in the Thesaurus: “a religious cult SECT, denomination, group, movement, church, persuasion, body, faction.”
Okay, I suppose the Church is a sec, it is a denomination, it is a group, many have called it a movement, it is definitely a church, all religion has persuasion, it is the body – of Christ if you’d like to speak metaphorically – and as far as faction, well, the wards and branches could of the Church could be referred to as factions of the body of Christ, I could maybe buy that too but faction is usually a politically term.
So, in summary, a religious cult isn’t a bad thing and I can’t think of 1 church that can’t be called a cult.
For a ‘formermormon’ you sure got a lot mixed up…lol
For starters they believe that Adam was Michael the ArcAngel. (not sure if that’s how you spell it) I won’t bother with the other mistakes. The other thing that I know for sure is the most “former Mormons” are former because they have been excommunicated for adultery or abuse of some sort and of course are somewhat bitter. They are always the worse ones to listen to because they will spew out all kinds of junk just to validate themselves. So former Mormon actually stands for Xed Mormon. Anyway I would suggest if you want to know anything about the Mormons that you find one that lives their religion same as you would if you wanted to find out more about the Catholics or the reborn again Christians…at least that’s what I always do.
I am a former “mainstream” Mormon cult member, attended BYU and lived in Utah. And yes the Mormon Church is a cult as stated here in this post.
The cult does believe that all men (who attain the incredibly elusive state of PERFECTION on Earth–which, still, doctrinally includes the requirement of living polygamy as a requisite for Godhood and eternal exhaltation[see Doctrine and Covenents, Section 132) will be given their own planet to rule, along with whichever of their multiple wives have also attained PERFECTION and eternal exaltation. Together this God and his (breeders) Godesses will create (through Eternal Sex) the spirit bodies that will be born into physical bodies to populate their planet. Part of the deal with polygamy is that it takes more than one Goddess to birth all of the necessary spirits to populate the new planet (although, I think that it is really about the sexual appetites and documented pedophilia of Joseph Smith, and the appetites and power trips of those who followed him. Mormons will tell you that polygamy was instituted as a "welfare program" to "care for" the women of the early church--allegedly because there were far more women than men in the early Church. Utah census records from that time say that there were never more women than men at that time--according to one respected researcher[Sandra Tanner--not respected by the cult, however]).
Mormons believe that the God of this Earth used to be a human man, and that He got this planet to rule by the above stated process. They believe that He and His Goddess(es? I have never heard that He is a polygamist, I have only ever heard discussion of Heavenly Mother in the singular) live on a planet called Kolob (one of the more bizarre, and amusing, and very, very, very long Mormon hymns is called “If You Could Hie to Kolob” wth “hie” means….) When I asked, as a child (and from thereon, for that matter) who the FIRST God was and where He came from, I was told that that is a Mystery that no one really knows the answer to (I guess JS’s imagination failed to provide that doctrine…).
Brigham Young taught that the God of this world and Adam (of the Garden of Eden fame) are one and the same Being ( see B.YOung’s Journal(s) of Discourses) I never quite figured out the intricacies of that doctirne, which has pretty much been abandonned (and discouraged from discussion) by the “mainstream” cult. Although Mormon Prophets “never speak as men” and continually channel new “revelation from God”, it appears that they now believe that Brigham Young actually did speak as a man, or lied, or made a mistake. Or something. This being the case, why they continue to believe anything else that he ever said is the true Mystery.
Yes, that sums up the cult, better known as the Mormon Church.
I can not believe how disrespectful you treat and talk about People of other religions!!
I would be shocked if somebody talks or shows things about my own beliefs in a bad way like that, by the way i think it is not objective at all! Think about if somebody would mop you because of your beliefs or opinions!?!
Josh: Am I not up on texting? What exactly is “ppl”?
By the way many African American Churches gave time and money in favor of Preposition 8 are they “homophobic, close-minded, xenophobic individuals with the right to vote.” Also, are you asking when the “mothership coming to take you away”?
Yeah the Mormons are a loving ppl. So loving and good they were the main engine that changed CA’s state constitution with prop 8. It’s a rare feat of evil to be behind a movement that actually takes away rights from a group of people. What’s next, white and black ppl can’t marry? How about only the church pairs up ppl for marriage. In the year 2008 we still have homophobic, close-minded, xenophobic individuals with the right to vote. PS when is your mothership coming to take you away? Oh wait, that Scientology…different cult.
I think I’m quite well-enough educated about the Mormons, and the hatred they spewed the past couple of months in California, so if those of us that you persecute want to make fun of your wierdo underwear, I think we’re more than entitled. And may God, and not Joseph Smith, bless you. Have a nice day living in your little twilight zone.
DekeRivers,
I hope someday you decide to educate yourself about the Mormons. Your lack of understanding isn’t shameful, but your mockery of things that are sacred to others certainly is, by any good person’s standard. In any event, as a Mormon, I’ve found nothing but good in my faith–principles and truths that lead me to better myself and grow closer to my family and to God. I’d invite you to learn from the source; our meetings are open to all. All the best to you,
Andy
LDS are no more a cult than Seventh Day Adventists, Jehova’s Witnesses, Baptists, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Hindu’s or any other people who have been graced with metaphysically revealed knowledge.
Just because “Mormons” have only had this knowledge for a little less then 200 years doesn’t make them any more of a cult than Branch Dravidians, Scientologists, or Falun Dafa.
I believe Scientology to be a cult. I have researched well. To compare the church of LDS to Scientology is a slap in the face to all Mormans. I am not yet a Morman but have been visited by the missionaries and am reading the book of Morman and praying that my answer will be revelaed to me in God’s time. Just because you don’t believe what they do does not mean they are bad people, it just means they have different beliefs, it’s that simple. God the Father should be left in charge of the ‘judging’ as no man here on earth is without sin or worthy to judge others.
I am gratefull for your comment as it saddens me as a Member to see what these people say about the church. Hopefully you will recieve the propmtings that you need to make your decision and not based on what has been said. God Bless
what’s wrong with the garments (or the underwear), by the way? don’t you wear any underclothes yourself? for sure you have a reason for wearing your undies or for choosing a particular piece of underwear. Why make an issue on the mormon garment?
the garments are made of 100% cotton or 50/50 cotton/polyester. i say it is comfortable to wear the 100% cotton. i’ve been wearing my garments for the last 10 years and i see nothing wrong with it. I prepared myself to become worthy to wear the garments.
you are entitled to your own thoughts. that is part of your freedom. do something good once in a while if you have the chance.
Distinctive clerical clothing is often worn by many religious people and leaders, including (for example) a catholic priest, who in many cases will wear it not only while acting in a pastoral capacity but in public.
Mormon’s (like catholic priests) make certain promises to God in their capacity. ‘Mormon underwear’ is worn underneath the clothing, as a symbol of these promises, much like the special clothing worn by a priests, only Mormon’s special clothing as a reminder of this, is worn underneath the clothing instead of outwardly.
I personally have no problems, with Mormons or any other religion. I am Catholic but I have Muslim, Mormon, Baptist,and Budist friends. I believe there is a place for everyone in Heaven. Out of curiousity, do all Mormons wear the under garmet and is the under garmet a “permanent” garmet,I mean do Mormons wear it even when they shower? I know it’s a stupid question, but I found out that members of the FLDS which I know is NOT Mormon, but is kinda Mormon, wear their undergarmets for life 100% of the time. Please email me back if you have any info.
@ smart person: I don’t wear them when I shower, and as far as I know members of the church as a whole don’t either. We’re also told we don’t need to swim in them or wear them during sex. Besides these 3 things (to my knowledge), they’re to be worn all of the time. Not all Mormons wear them. Thanks for asking and also for being open and kind to people of all religions.
@ admin: I think this is a ridiculous picture and shameful on your part. It is in no way funny to mock things that are sacred to someone and I also agree and state LOUDLY that you need to take this picture off your site.
See here is my problem.
Read your own words.
“We’re also told we don’t need to swim in them or wear them during sex”.
You need someone to tell you to take off your underwear for sex!
The Mormon guy (20?) that came to my door last summer told me after my asking they were to be worn so it was less easy to masturbate. The other guy with him laughed, and it was clear that idea needed to be re-thought.
But they get credit for being honest.
Awwwww….no.
And I think it is a cult.
If you think that the Mormon church is a “Cult”.. Then i suggest you get your facts straight!
Honestly, don’t speak about what you DO NOT KNOW!
It’s not “underwear” as you call it. It’s garments. An extra layer of SACRED protection.
I would STRONGLY suggest you take this post off!
hey ummm.. excuse me but the mormons are a cult my boyfriend is a mormon and he is trying to quit the church and yeah he says its a cult all the time and hates it and its prety wacky.. btw.. yep IT IS A CULT!!
pls stop making fun of people.Because i believed that mormons are nice people and they help people whos in need.just pls stop..they didnt even do anything wrong.theyre good people,just to let all of yah.pls dont start a religion descrimination.cause people have different religion too..dont make fun of them!
that is not funny and ppl speak ignorance on what they do not know.
It was funny…and besides I do not think Mormons are so much a religion as they are a cult-like organization.
I guess when all else have failed by the progressives they can always sink to childish taunts. Cute post, and just proves once more how desperately afraid the extremist on the left are of religion.